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A meme, a thought, and a welcome

jereeza posted the meme:
Google for "(your name) wants"

Here are my first ten results:

  • Bill wants schools to get fresh (um?)

  • Bill Wants To Keep Jews, Muslims From High US Elected Office (bha!)

  • Can or Bottle, Bill Wants Makers to Pay for Recycling (hrm, ok)

  • If Bill wants to sit in my den... (yes?)

  • Senate Bill Wants P.E. Back in Nation's Schools (you've surely guessed before now what all these Bills are)

  • New bill wants to offer loans (New Bill!)

  • Bill wants homeowners to maintain village parks (what is this, NationStates?)

  • Bill wants GSIS, SSS to cover college bills (I dknot even know what those are)

  • Ohio Bill Wants to Hide Names of Concealed Carry Holders (concealed carry wot? CHOKLIT swords?)

  • A doll, a doll, William wants a doll (I just know sui_degeneris is going to record this. I just know it.)



Here's a thought about screen adaptations of LOTR, cross-posted from teunc:

I was sitting down to lunch and saying a silent, abbreviated hobbit grace when something occurred to me. A lot of people in AFT/RABT have made the correct and fairly self-evident observation that there will never be a "definitive LOTR film" that satisfies everyone - if for no reason other than that book purists such as Louis Epstein deem the very concept oxymoronic.

That said, Softy was right on the money in one critical regard: no film has yet managed to fully convey some of the deeper messages of Tolkien's world. All due respect to Phil Jackson, Barrie Osborne, Phillipa Boyens and the WETA Digital people, to Alan Lee, to Trippy, and to the rest of the multitude who contributed to the immersive experience: IMHO, they did a great job and should be proud of what they did. Like many, I take issue with the look and feel of certain elements of the films - Lorien and Galadriel's temptation stand foremost in my mind.

But I don't mean visuals only. IMO, as critically-thinking readers of LOTR have said for decades, no screen treatment is going to convey the themes of LOTR to a mutual level of satisfaction, unless it addresses certain things that are not amenable to theatrical format and accessible to a wide audience. For a lot of us, it may not be possible within 8-12 hours. I'm sure that for some this is an uncharacteristically elitist and purist view coming from someone such as me, but I'm in a Socratic mood, so bear with me.

What brought this on is that I realized that I want to see the quotidian aspects of life in Middle-earth, and the details that Tolkien used to make his story world unfold so convincingly. I need the little details about life in Minas Tirith, Beregond, the meal that Frodo and Sam take with the rangers of Ithilien, the "long, boring period of walking" from Hobbiton to Bree. Big, expensive CGA-based, digitally composited shots of ruins on a hill just don't cut it for me.

Perhaps I'm starting to cross over into adult LOTR fandom. Perhaps some in Alfantolia will now call me old. I'm not entirely dismayed by the prospect.

Your thoughts, my friends?


Welcome to some new friends - please leave an introduction here, if you like:
07 Oct 2005: ankh_f_n_khonsu
06 Oct 2005: mapjunkie
06 Oct 2005: rivendellrose
06 Oct 2005: timsinister
06 Oct 2005: util
05 Oct 2005: spiderfarmer
03 Oct 2005: abrichar
17 Sep 2005: blablabla1345
13 Sep 2005: kewldeaf (welcome back)

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Banazir

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gondhir
Oct. 8th, 2005 05:37 pm (UTC)
You could make a new one with a slightly different name. That's what I did. Khazad-stan is dead! Long live Khazadstan!
banazir
Oct. 8th, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC)
See, yers works well...
Acos Khazad-stan sounds doopit compared to Khazadstan nazwaz.

Mine:
Wibbletrask, New Wibbletrask, Wibbletraskia, Greater Wibbletrask
Holbytlan Plains, Holbytlan Ranges, Holbytlania
The Smurrowdelf, Blue Solaria, Blue Solaris
Yojopia, Yojtopia, New Yojopia
Nazgul Sith

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Banazir
spoothbrush
Oct. 8th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)
LotR movies: loved the visuals, but...
I rather agree about LotR -- although, in the interests of full disclosure, I should say that I only saw the first movie and decided that seeing the other two would not be worth my time, as I felt that the first movie turned Fellowship into a sweeping melodrama that quite honestly just made me laugh.

By losing the every-day details of life in Middle-Earth that you mention, what's left becomes a lot of high adventure with stubbled men wielding weaponry and staring intently. Good entertainment, certainly, but it's not world-building. Tolkien's plot may be there, but his reality isn't.
sui_degeneris
Oct. 8th, 2005 04:01 pm (UTC)
Record something? Me?
I believe you have me confused with some other dragon.

Terribly sorry about that.

Actually, my real problem is that I can't recall ever hearing this song, so I don't know the tune. And by the time I track down the melody and listen to it enough to do it justice, the whole idea will have dropped out of your lille fishie bwain. Which will mean reminding you of this and all. And the humor will be kinda flat at that point. If I'm going to put that much work into it, I'd rather do it on something like Sam's Troll poem.
banazir
Oct. 8th, 2005 09:26 pm (UTC)
Sam's Troll Pome!
Yay!

I can't even memember wot the song woz...

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Banazir
sui_degeneris
Oct. 8th, 2005 09:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Sam's Troll Pome!
The fox went out on a chilly night

http://www.songsforteaching.com/folk/thefox.htm
spiderfarmer
Oct. 8th, 2005 04:08 pm (UTC)
Hiya, I was friending you back. :) You'd friended me, and I finally remembered to check my user info....because I'm a ditz, and I never think to check that page. :)

I'm a mom, a writer, a soapmaker. I'm political, sarcastic, and can be a bitch when making fun of certain types of people. (Mostly trophy wives...and only because I'm surrounded by them.) Were it up to me, I would live on an estate protected by zombies and laser sharks. But it's so hard to get the sharks to hold still long enough to attach the lasers. And hiring zombies this time of year...impossible. ;)
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mapjunkie
Oct. 8th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
Intro
An introduction, eh? Well, first my corporate bio, than my LJ description: That'll be way, way, way more than sufficient...

John Cassel, Riverglass Research Engineer, is interested in developing tools to allow people to plan to reach goals discovered from their own values, and to allow people to discover and collaborate with others with similar goals and values, over multiple scales of temporal change. His interests include sequence mining, stream mining, active learning, online
simulation, decision-theoretic planning, temporal logic, temporal data
mining, GIS, and geospacial data mining. As part of the Riverglass
development team, he is currently working on sharable knowledge-base
primitives, hierarchies of mutually-enforcing planners and learners,
and goal discovery from user preferences.

I am a
* theorist, meaning I approach the world through theory (as opposed to experiment)
* improviser, meaning I prefer to act according to the situation instead of by a script (to prefer flexibility over expertise)
* pragmatist, meaning that I prefer to be rational instead of being logical
* mennonite, meaning my faith in Jesus moves me to separate from cultural traditions rather than to join them
* postmodernist, meaning that I prefer altering process instead of improving product as a progress narrative
* computer scientist, meaning that I act upon systems structurally, often from the deepest arcane recessess

and computational geographer, who approaches geographic problems through computational, algorithmic, and quantitative mechanisms.
crypthanatopsis
Oct. 8th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)
I think the main reason the movies didn't 'do it' for me was that the whole tenor of it was wrong. And I'm not talking about the comedic relief, which I think is forgivable in a change of medium like this.

In the movies, everything just screams out how epic this all is and how important it is and how amazing it is. In the books, it was never about that. It was always about the people, and the little decisions they made that ending up being heroic and epic.

It always seemed to me that the movies were telling me first and foremost that they were big and important and wasn't this great that we finally had a screen adaptation of LotR, and telling me the story secondarily.

Also I think there wasn't a good sense of time conveyed in the movies, either for the depth of history or for how long the story took to happen, but I think that's a general weakness of the medium, nothing specific to this translation.
ankh_f_n_khonsu
Oct. 9th, 2005 03:16 am (UTC)
Well, in order to frame an 'introduction', I'd probably have to know what introduced my content. Judging from your info page, I'd say it may have involved a Singularity-related comment/post, but damned if I know where or what.

Namaste.
timsinister
Oct. 9th, 2005 01:59 pm (UTC)
On the move at the moment, will introduce properly once I'm back at my own PC.
gregbo
Oct. 14th, 2005 05:34 am (UTC)
I was disappointed in general at how much the LoTR movies differed from the books. The time Frodo and Sam spent in Ithilien is one of my favorite parts of the trilogy, and was poorly treated by the movie IMO.
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