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Has anyone seen the trailer for Beowulf and Grendel?

What did you all think of it?

My thoughts: it might be all right, but given what we see in the trailer, which is supposed to be representative of the better (if flashier) aspects of a film, I'm very apprehensive. To be frank, it looks awful, however much you may be fond of looking at Gerard Butler. (And I understand that a goodly number of the ladies do like looking at him.)

Geats with Scottish accents? Are "gits". Seriously, "thairtin gits". There's some poetic justice there. ;-)

"Valhalla"?! I just think making Geats into Vikings is a non-starter.

What is with all the corny tagline-spouting? And if that wasn't enough: "a son must avenge his father". Eh? Sympathetic Grendel? He's Grendel! He's a monster by definition! This is getting a tad bit too touchy-feely, IMO, even if you like reimagined classics.

As for the special effects, "period" costumes, and gratuitous rolling in the hay, I say: this looks to be a movie in the "grand" tradition of First Knight - I expect to find the trailer better than the film once I've watched it. This was not the case for The 13th Warrior (whose trailer I did not see first) and Rob Roy (whose trailer I did see first). Prove me wrong, why don'tcha.

Another aside about Mr. Butler: I liked his performance in The Phantom of the Opera and I hear he was good in Dracula. He was fantastic in Attila. The upcoming 300 looks interesting. So, it isn't Butler. I just don't care to see Beowulf (the epic poem) turned into an el cheapo edition of The 13th Warrior (which, as figgylicious noted, was good because it didn't purport to be Beowulf).

While we're on the subject, don't you think it would be funny if Nathan Algren's summary of the Battle of Thermopylae from The Last Samurai was used in a trailer for 300? ;-)

I'm sure we'll be treated to Carmina Burana and "Three hundred defenders... ONE MILLION INVADERS... a day that would live in history". Some things never change. :-P

Edit, 18:00 CST: In other news, last night gondhir and I lost to taiji_jian in ST:TNG trivia. 11 to 19 to 21! What's the world coming to?

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Banazir

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banazir
Jan. 9th, 2006 11:38 pm (UTC)
It's a big ad!
# Ve-ry big ad! #
# This better sell some bloody horned helmeeeeets! #

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orangerful
Jan. 9th, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC)
first thing I thought before I clicked on the cut was "um, hasn't this already been done?" I enjoyed '13th Warrior' though my knowledge of Beowulf is lacking (after we saw 13th Warrior, my mom told me the Beowulf story according to the Seamus Heaney? translation that had just come out). Mostly we just like quoting the scene where he learns how to speak their language....

I do not get the Gerard Butler thing. and that is some bad hair is has in the trailer. But is he swoonable? I say "no". But that could just be my taste in men. Perhaps it was 'Phantom' that attracted all the fangirls. I still can't bring myself to watch that movie.

and for me, the Carmina Burana will always make me think of that fantastic scene in 'Excalibur'....
prolog
Jan. 10th, 2006 12:04 am (UTC)
Hwaet! We gar-dena...

Beowulf is one of my favourite poems in the English language. A few years ago, I learned enough Old English to actually read it in the original, and it was beautiful.

With my head-hoard full of Dane-gold, I am wary of this movie.

banazir
Jan. 10th, 2006 10:12 am (UTC)
Hwaet wot?
I don't think a quarter of the people involved in this production know hwaet from w00t. ;-)

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Banazir
prolog
Jan. 10th, 2006 04:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Hwaet wot?
There's a frightening thought.

w00t! we pwn-danes...
smegalicious
Jan. 10th, 2006 02:08 am (UTC)
I read both "Beowulf" and "Grendel" in ninth grade, yea on 5 years ago, but this trailer looks to be a horrifying twisting of it. Le sigh.

Next time: The Canterbury Tales. Heheh.
banazir
Jan. 10th, 2006 02:11 am (UTC)
Chaucer's already spinning
There was already A Knight's Tale, n'est-ce pas?

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Banazir
smegalicious
Jan. 10th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC)
Re: Chaucer's already spinning
Ah, you have a point. Pointy point.

Hmm. Hollywoodizations of classic literature... Scary thoughts. "Baghavad Gita: The Movie"?
Yeah, haven't you heard? - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 05:59 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Yeah, haven't you heard? - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:00 am (UTC) - Expand
Oh, it gets better! - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:21 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Oh, it gets better! - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:22 am (UTC) - Expand
The other bald guy - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:34 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: The other bald guy - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:44 am (UTC) - Expand
Have I missed the battle? - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC) - Expand
It is time. Time! TIME! - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:49 am (UTC) - Expand
Too short a season - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:54 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Too short a season - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:57 am (UTC) - Expand
I always thought of King Frank... - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 07:55 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I always thought of King Frank... - smegalicious - Jan. 10th, 2006 07:57 am (UTC) - Expand
Yes, Halle Berry - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 08:56 am (UTC) - Expand
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Hey Ram - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 11:23 am (UTC) - Expand
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gondhir
Jan. 10th, 2006 06:46 am (UTC)
To be frank, it looks awful
Sorry, no Franks, only Geats and Danes.

And Grendel the Barbarian.
banazir
Jan. 10th, 2006 06:48 am (UTC)
Frenks, GITS, and Deans
I just want a Dane named James... so we can have Jimmae the Dean!

IHOP,
Banazir
tears_of_nienna
Jan. 10th, 2006 07:17 am (UTC)
Is it just my computer, or did the entire site change in the last hour or two, and did the trailer vanish from existence? And I just finished ranting about it, too. *sigh*

I was going to give up and hang my hopes on the 2007 version, but it's rumored to be motion-capture. Despite how far the technology has come, I don't think it's nearly advanced enough to pull this off. Maybe I'm just having nightmare flashbacks to The Polar Express, but I don't want Beowulf looking anything like that.

So it looks like it's just me, my Seamus Heaney translation, and The Monsters and the Critics. *hunkers down in Cave of Denial*
banazir
Jan. 10th, 2006 10:10 am (UTC)
I read that rant
And let me just say: you rock in innumerable ways. :-)

1. Someone got the idea, from the successful introduction of N'kara/Ildico in Attila, that Gerard Butler and redheads are like the Resse's Pieces. Unfortunately, someone failed to take into account that the historical Attila was different in so many ways from Gerard Butler that belief had already taken a flying leap over Cabed Naeramarth. So, instead of the short, stocky, pugnacious, alcohol-abusing Attila we got the tall, well-muscled, pugnacious, elegant Attila. So much for canon. But Beowulf is not Attila; you can't romanticize a story that is already the literary equivalent of an ornately gilded shield.

2. Mocap can be more than your basic Toy Story-esque CG. Did you know that the vast majority of the Rohirrim on the Pelennor field were controlled via MASSIVE using mocap playback of several hundred primitive maneuvers? If you didn't, have a look at Disc 6 of the SEE DVDs of LOTR, which is part of the ROTK set; if you did, let's just hope it's at least like that. OTOH, Final Fantasy-type animation is really difficult to do using mocap (as opposed to compositing live action and hand animation), so I do understand and share your concerns. Either way, you might be interested in massforge, our agent-based character/vehicle animation project.

3. Frankly, the Grendel the Barbarian thing turns me off from ever going to see B&G in a theatre - not that I would without it. "Beowulf the Dark Knight" was idiotic. The gratuitous roll in the hay was worse, for the reasons you enumerated, but you can see from the introduction of "Grendel's son" as a character that the scriptwriters have gone "give everyone a family"-happy.

4. Yes, the site changed. The couple of blogs they put up are an interesting read, if a little predictable and blase about the whole thing.

I shall gain Valhallame glory, or grim-trask shall take me,
Banazir
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Agreeing to disagree - banazir - Jan. 10th, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
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tears_of_nienna
Jan. 10th, 2006 05:50 pm (UTC)
Re: I read that rant
Hm. I haven't seen Attila. Should I rent it, just as a harbinger of what B&G is probably going to be? Or is it bad/inaccurate enough that it's not even worth the effort?

I know Weta did amazing, incredible things with MASSIVE, and if everyone in the movie looked like Gollum I'd probably be okay with it. In fact, I think I'll go watch Two Towers again just so I can check out the Rohirrim in the background. Besides, Neil Gaiman is credited as a writer, so it'll be worth the price of admission to see what one of my favorite modern writers has done with my favorite ancient poem.

...Wait a second. Grendel has a child, too?! Ai, Elbereth...
Attila: depends what you mean by "accurate" - banazir - Jan. 12th, 2006 03:50 am (UTC) - Expand
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