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I'd been noticing that it had been over a month since the 50Mb auto-archive feature of CNS mail had kicked in and created a bhsu-inbox-yyyymmdd file, so I wrote in asking about it:

Subject: CNS inbox archival - changed or inactvated?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:55:31 -0500
From: William H. Hsu <bhsu@cis.ksu.edu>
To: [CNS main admin]

James,

If I recall correctly, CNS inboxes get automatically archived and
renamed at 50Mb. This usually happened for me once every 30-60 days,
but I haven't had this happen since 04 Aug 2006. I've been cleaning
spams and large attachments out myself this fall, but it looks as if my
inbox is close to 50Mb if not over. Could you please let me know if the
50Mb folder size threshold is still in effect, whether the archival
feature is still in effect, and if so, check on my K-State e-mail inbox
size and let me know if it's over the limit?

Thanks,
Bill


Comes the reply:

Subject: Re: CNS inbox archival - changed or inactvated?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:57:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: [CNS mail admin]
To: William H. Hsu <bhsu@CIS.KSU.EDU>

Hi Dr. Hsu,

The policy is still in place but the technology behind it isn't working
now. Earlier this fall the machines changed underneath it all and I
haven't made that work with the new machines yet. It's on my list of
things to do (but probably not this week :-).


My reply:

Subject: Re: [KDD-ADMIN] CNS inbox archival - changed or inactvated?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:01:24 -0500
From: William H. Hsu <bhsu@CIS.KSU.EDU>
From: [CNS mail admin]

Got it - thanks for letting me know.
It's no big deal, but will there be a way to apply this retroactively
when it's back online (to get multiple 50MB inbox files), or will we
just have one huge inbox when it kicks in?

-Bill


The mail admin's response:

Subject: Re: CNS inbox archival - changed or inactvated?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: [CNS mail admin]
To: William H. Hsu <bhsu@CIS.KSU.EDU>

It will just be one file.

Can I ask you why you are asking about this? Our assumption is that we
only have to do this because people won't do it for themselves.


My answer:

Subject: Re: CNS inbox archival - changed or inactvated?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:11:19 -0500
From: William H. Hsu <bhsu@CIS.KSU.EDU>
From: [CNS mail admin]

Sure! I really like the feature, because it's based on uniform inbox
size rather than duration. I used to do it myself once every 2 weeks,
and sometimes I would get very large (200+Mb) inboxes because of large
numbers of attachments that arrive. Also, if I forgot and went to 4
weeks, sometimes my inbox would bloat so badly that Elm or vi would
choke on it.

What would help me even more is if we can get scripts or programs to
apply this feature to break up old folders that we have online.
Specifically, I'd like to run it on those 200+Mb folders to get some
50MB ones.

Thanks,
Bill



So, maybe I missed something here.

  • 1. Does anyone familiar with CNS's mail setup (tmehlinger?) know what's so breakable and/or hard to fix about auto-archive crons?

  • 2. How would we set this up ourselves (to actually auto-archive at 50Mb)? James didn't mention what he meant by "do it for ourselves", but there are a couple of problems.

    • First, as most of my time for handling mail (other than sending and reading it) is spent hand-filtering spam and training my filters, I don't always have time to do it by hand. If I forget (for say, a week), it's a lot more hassle to go in with vim and chop up by hand.
    • Second, where are these mail files and how do we get at them?
      [bhsu@ringil]% ssh -l bhsu unix.ksu.edu
      bhsu@unix.ksu.edu's password:
      Last login: Fri May 26 13:05:07 2006 from fingolfin.user.

      Yeah... I thought so. In 7 years here I've never logged into unix.ksu.edu save to test whether I could (e.g., to see if my eID worked) and to look for files that weren't there.



Any ideas?

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