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OK, so David Schmidt, Rod Howell, and Allen Stoughton, who has elected the nickname Alley as an abstraction over the equivalence class {Alan, Allan, Allen, Alain, Alano, Alleyne}, have again inspired us to think up some controversial ideas with respect to the CIS curriculum. Dave confirms that there are indeed 40 (count 'em, forty) hours of required CS courses. "Let's renumber them 1 through 18 and have tracks! Odd, even, prime, Fibonacci..." "How about merging those 40 hours into 28?"

No worries, istari_ala, I'm just joshin' with ya.

zengeneral and I did have a talk about Math 510 (Discrete Mathematics) this morning at 11:00, though. It seems that many of my mentees are coming in having not gotten into 510 in their fourth semester (which I think is already too late), because - get this - the Math department doesn't want to open up any more recitation sections. So they are deferring it to their sixth or even their eighth, when it becomes an issue for CIS 575 (Introduction to Algorithm Analysis). Pardon my Ebonics, yo, but thass just wack.

So, any bright ideas on how to wreak sweet havoc on our curriculum? In particular, what can I offer the Math department as an incentive to take more of our students into Discrete Math? "It can't get any worse!"

Memesheepdom! Baaaa...

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( 8 comments — Leave a comment )
Nov. 15th, 2004 11:19 am (UTC)
Just kick their ass. ;-)
Nov. 15th, 2004 03:36 pm (UTC)
Their collective ass
To paraphrase Phil Berquist in City Slickers:

"That would take all day!"

Nov. 15th, 2004 03:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Their collective ass
What a great movie. :-D
Nov. 15th, 2004 12:24 pm (UTC)
Question out of nowhere...
Which Dan Simmons book in particular did you recommend for reading?
Nov. 15th, 2004 03:41 pm (UTC)
Dan Simmons recommendations: glad you asked
hyperion_cantos to start with, of course. Followed by Endymion and The Rise of Endymion, two of my favorite SF stories of all time and both inspiration and clarification for several of my complexes.

I hear Ilium is fantastic.

Nov. 16th, 2004 06:36 am (UTC)
Re: Dan Simmons recommendations: glad you asked
Is hyperion_cantos Hyperion? 'Cause that's what I'm reading right now, with Endymion and Illium waiting off to the side.
Nov. 15th, 2004 12:47 pm (UTC)
the Math department doesn't want to open up any more recitation sections
Doesn't want too or don't have the people to teach it. There are two that I know that teach (fairly reg): Zongzhu Lin and David Yetter.

math510 is a "difficult" course for many CS majors from what I gathered when I took it and when peter took it. I passed simply by pissing out homework... It was easy, easy material...

As it stands, lack of exposure to enough of the basics is hurting students by
a) not providing enough of language to understand (not knowing how to read)
b) not providing argument exposure. For instance, we use induction to argue a process for finite cases that have a simple ‘transition’. How do we recognize induction? How do we recognize epsilon-delta construction? How do we recognize bounded error convergence? etc…
c) not able to prove ideas*

*I will admit, that on the whole. Proving things isn’t entirely useful. However, the utility of proof for CS is the ability to decompose and write correct software by focusing on the crutch of a would-be proof. Once you have the crutch, the proof should be easy. However, communicating that proof ability is needed is a difficult task since the results are not “clearly” immediate.
Nov. 15th, 2004 01:34 pm (UTC)
40 at the graduate level or the undergraduate level? i assume you mean semester hours...

cos if it's at the undergraduate level, it's not that much.

the math dept requires 36 credits of non-optional coursework, plus an additional 15 of electives (of which 9 credits must fulfill other requirements). plus, to fulfill the math gen ed requirement, 3 credits of statistics and 3 credits of programming.

my old engineering dept has roughly 64 of required coursework and then has an additional 18 credits (that must meet some pretty specific requirements) required. and that's without the ~30 hour basic program. basically, the only electives are the technical breadth/depth electives, which capstone design course is taken, and the gen ed electives...

and i didn't need to take that test to know that i'm a typical aquarius (if there is such a thing)... but it says that i'm a 100% match :P
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