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Ctrl-Alt-Del on a USB Mac keyboard

Feb. 6th, 2005 at 2:17 PM

OK, here's an odd request:
Does anyone know how to issue a Ctrl-Alt-SmiteDel on a USB Mac keyboard?
There's Ctrl, Alt / Option, Command, and Del, but I can't get it to register a Ctrl-Alt-Del combination, even though I can type normally and ring up Alt menus using Command.

I'll explain later.

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Banazir

Current Mood: cranky
Current Music:Eminem - The Real Slim Shady

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Feb. 6th, 2005 08:27 pm (UTC)

Using the fn key in conjunction with option should give you alt. When using my Mac to connect to my PC via RDC I will hold down Ctrl-Fn-Option-Del as necessary and it works happily.

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:17 pm (UTC)

Fn key?

First, thanks for your reply.

This is one of those PowerMac G4 USB keyboards that has "thin" ESC, F1, F2, ... F12, Help, Home, Pg Up, and Pg Dn keys at the top.

I don't have a Fn key on the USB keyboard, only on the ThinkPad.

Is there another model of USB keyboard I could try? I have no shortage of sources for those.

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Banazir

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Feb. 6th, 2005 10:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Fn key?

Hmm. I just went and looked at my full USB Mac keyboard (instead of just my PowerBook keyboard) and you're right, no Fn key.

I asked a friend who works at Apple and they say that the option key should behave as alt in this circumstance (and that my thought that you had to hold down Fn as well was a deluded one).

Probably any standard PC keyboard would behave more happily in this circumstance rather than a Mac one--if the ctrl-option-del isn't working.

The iNinja was created by the same Apple employed friend mentioned above, though at a large size--which I then converted to an icon.

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:18 pm (UTC)

iNinja!

BTW, I love your iNinja icon.
Did you make that one yourself?

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Banazir

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(Anonymous)

Mar. 7th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)

attaching a mac keyboard to a pc

Ctrl+option+apple+.

This will log you in on you pc with a mac keyboard.

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masteralida

Feb. 6th, 2005 08:29 pm (UTC)

I haven't got a clue, but have I told you how much I love your icons for your emotions?

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:13 pm (UTC)

Stargate SG-1 mood theme deux, "nerdy SG-1"

Teehee, thanks!

I have

delectableoomph to thank for these and for the LoTR ones I use on GJ. (The only one that surprised me there was that "rejuvenated" is Aragorn rather than Gandalf the White!)
The regular SG-1 theme is also cool! (Mellow Thor and Aggravated Mongolian Sam are my favorites.)

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Banazir

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC)

In OS 9, to force a reset you control-apple-delete (you do very occasionally need to do this in OS X but that's very occasionally.)

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC)

I realize this doesn't answer your question but that's because I don't know the answer to your question, unfortunately *self-BAP*

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC)

Thanks anyway

I realize this doesn't answer your question but that's because I don't know the answer to your question, unfortunately *self-BAP*
'tis OK. It's the thought that counts.
(Really! I need all the computer help I can get. :-P)

Sometimes it takes a Ph.D. in CS to realize that... a Ph.D. in computer science doesn't necessarily mean you know anything in particular about computing. It's like chemical engineering and chemistry.

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Banazir

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 09:32 pm (UTC)

Re: Thanks anyway

I agree (besides the fact that I was addressing a different problem and that I have a Masters in Math ;) . Btw is it a OS 9/earlier or OS X machine anyways? *vbg*)

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC)

Yavanna: more than you wanted to know

I agree (besides the fact that I was addressing a different problem and that I have a Masters in Math ;)
Dilbert and Wally must love you. ;-)
"

malver the solver of slightly different problems" (don't worry, I'm like that too)

Btw is it a OS 9/earlier or OS X machine anyways? *vbg*)
yavanna is a Power Mac G4-350, single proc, that I got in February of 2000. It runs OS 9 and has 256Mb RAM and a 10Gb HD. I have had MacOS X (10.0, no bloody Pumas, Jaguars, Panthers, Tigers) since the very beginning of 2001 and have yet to install it on Yavanna, which tells you what the state of my procrastination is.

varda, my dual G4-500, came pre-loaded with OS9 at the end of 2000, but I upgraded to OS X Public Preview and thence to OS X proper.

I'm thinking about getting a dual G5 when grant funding is available.

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Banazir

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 10:03 pm (UTC)

Re: Yavanna: more than you wanted to know

I was practically in a hurry to get OS X, since I'm the sort who crashed his OS 9 machine just about daily, and knew some UNIX also...

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Feb. 6th, 2005 11:57 pm (UTC)

Linux and *nix

See, we have Unix variants coming out of our ears. In 2002, my lab ran: MacOS X, Irix 6.5, Linux PPC 2000, Red Hat 6/7/8, and FreeBSD. The last 3 were in my house. Meanwhile, our department had SuSE, Debian, and Slackware Linux, SunOS, Solaris, and a few other System V variants. So it's got to be more than a BSD variant with the Mach kernel for me to adopt it.

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Banazir

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:20 pm (UTC)

Control-OpenApple-Delete

I tried that, along with:

Alt/Option-OpenApple/Command-Delete

Control-Alt/Option-Delete

Control-Shift-Alt/Option-Delete

No luck so far, but thanks for the suggestion.

The Powermac I snarfed this from is a G4-350 that still runs MacOS 9, btw.

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Banazir

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Feb. 6th, 2005 08:55 pm (UTC)

The phrasing suggests that that is an option on the PC. Since there are quite a few things that need smiting in my life, you wouldn't happen to know where the "smite" key is? Or do you need a keyboard extension?

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:25 pm (UTC)

Fightings and smitings over one's poor tender head

The phrasing suggests that that is an option on the PC.
Kindasorta: basically, my IBM notebook computer (ThinkPad) broke (LCD panel and keyboard), and it's out of warranty (1999 system). Therefore, I'm trying to salvage it by attaching a Mac keyboard.

Since there are quite a few things that need smiting in my life, you wouldn't happen to know where the "smite" key is? Or do you need a keyboard extension?
Indeed.
I hear

celli has a nice modified keyboard. Still 104 keys, even!

Here's to an imminent reduction of smitables in your life.

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Banazir

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)

Umm.....alt-apple-die?

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Feb. 6th, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC)

:-P

Nono, this is trying to use an Apple keyboard to type on a ThinkPad whose keyboard is damaged.

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Banazir

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 09:36 pm (UTC)

Checked a webpage, maybe shift-option-apple-delete? Then different things depending on whether you wish to boot from boot disc or OS.

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malver

Feb. 6th, 2005 10:05 pm (UTC)

Nevermind nevermind, that was OS X advice there. Hrm...

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Feb. 6th, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)

I'll keep you all posted

Checked a webpage, maybe shift-option-apple-delete? Then different things depending on whether you wish to boot from boot disc or OS.
Nevermind nevermind, that was OS X advice there. Hrm...
No problem. I'll keep you all posted.

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Banazir

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Feb. 6th, 2005 10:01 pm (UTC)

Let me get this straight ... you're using a mac keyboard on a windoze machine? Yes?

In the general scheme of things, Control on windoze = command on mac.

If it's not an extended keyboard, then shift-delete acts the same as delete.

Never having attempted something so ... heinous as attaching a mac keyboard to a pc, I'm not sure if the alt keys work the same. Nevertheless, I would attempt command-alt-shift-backspace.

If this doesn't work, my next suggestion would be to remove the mac keyboard from the set up, pick up the PC and place in the recycling receptacle closest to your current position. ... See? Problem solved!

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Feb. 7th, 2005 12:20 am (UTC)

If you're running any version of a Mac OS (since 7, at least, and probably way before that), the key combination that'll allow you to force programs to quit is option-command (or "open-apple")-escape.

So if you're not running a Mac OS, try adding the escape key in there just for kicks.

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Feb. 7th, 2005 12:52 am (UTC)

Mac transit gloria PC, or sumfink

OK, I tried that in WinXP, and it context-switches (the way Alt-Tab does).

Thanks for the suggestion, though (and I like yuor icon, too)!

Still trying things... :-)

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Banazir

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Feb. 7th, 2005 01:11 am (UTC)

Re: Mac transit gloria PC, or sumfink

If I remember correctly, alt-esc on Windows is the same as alt-tab, except it doesn't bring up the "here's what you can switch to!" box that tells you what'll open once you release alt.

As for the other issue... why not just rip the battery out? :p

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Feb. 7th, 2005 02:37 am (UTC)

Re: Mac transit gloria PC, or sumfink

If I remember correctly, alt-esc on Windows is the same as alt-tab, except it doesn't bring up the "here's what you can switch to!" box that tells you what'll open once you release alt.
Right.

As for the other issue... why not just rip the battery out? :p
Battery?
All I want to salvage is the CPU and video card. I've cannibalized Vingilot for its RAM already, so it's down to 32Mb, but there is a mobile Pentium II-366 in it, and it still outputs a nice, crisp 1280 x 1024.

That ThinkPad cost over $3600 new in 1999, $4200 with all its upgrades, such as a whopping 6Gb HDD! Hrm, come to think of it, a 32Mb DIMM was one of the exorbitant upgreeds. I should go look for it (but I won't just yet).

Anyway, suffice it to say I can still make a decent dumb terminal with it. My next best system is this P5-166 desktop with 256Mb of RAM, which for some reason can only do 800x600 under Red Hat 9. (I'ma upgrade this to Gentoo as soon as Telperion, the 2.8GHz Celeron COMPAQ running Debian , has a working X.)

Oh, BTW - do you know how to set up a dynamic DNS so anyone can SSH into Telperion? I'm on DHCP via cable modem (Cox Communications).

Thanks,
Banazir

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Feb. 7th, 2005 11:13 am (UTC)

Re: Mac transit gloria PC, or sumfink

The battery thing was in reference to your ctrl-alt-del woes -- it'd kill the power.

As for Dynamic DNS, go register at dyndns.org, and install the client here: https://www.dyndns.org/download/clients/windows/dyndns-setup.zip

The client will automatically update dyndns.org with your current external IP, even if you're behind a router.

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scottharmon

Feb. 8th, 2005 06:39 am (UTC)

You can buy....

You can buy pc keyboards that are USB...

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