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Cross-posted from teunc and found_objects:

If every undergrad paid attention in English 101, all signs would be grammatically consistent (and correct). ;-)

And we could triple the number of grammatical correctness, too!

Disclaimer: In all seriousness, I'm all for fundraising, and I don't even mind Telefund's cold-calling. I donate to my own alma mater, Johns Hopkins University, and to Severn School and UIUC, every few years. I've even been known to donate to their separate library funds. If you're a K-State alum, please do consider making a donation - there are quite a few worth while development projects going on. Besides, as you can see above, English education could always use some improvement. ;-)



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Apr. 16th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC)
ugh - terrible. I wish I understood *what* exactly was trying to be articulated in the first sign.

Also - can I ask you a question about what you expect from undergraduate researchers?
Apr. 16th, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC)
You don't understand what's being articulated in the first sign? I mean, it has a grammatical error, but the meaning seems relatively obvious...
Apr. 16th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
When I was looking at the sign, all I could see was the error.
Apr. 16th, 2006 06:15 pm (UTC)
It's mathemagic!
For example, let's say that there are 330 business graduates. And 30 upperclassmen in search of internship opportunities.

If one out of every 11 of those business graduates offered an internship, that would be 330/11 = 30. Which is, oddly enough, the number of upperclassmen mentioned earlier.

Amazing, innit?

That number may be deceptive, though. If they are talking about all business graduates, they may be conveniently ignoring the fact that some will have moved out of the area, and some are not yet established enough to offer internships, and some aren't in business at all at this point.

So they might really need every KSU business grad who meets those requirements, instead of just 1 in every 11.
Apr. 16th, 2006 06:19 pm (UTC)
Hey, long time naz caht!

Where are yew?

There's lonts of TEUNCs in TORn wot miss yew!

Apr. 16th, 2006 06:50 pm (UTC)
Re: Zigzackly!
I'm here!

Well, for certain values of "here", nazwaz.

Wow. It's been nearly 2 months since I've been a regular in chat. I'm sure that Gondhir is in dire need of some stern looks at this point.

Must drop in and remedy that.
Apr. 16th, 2006 06:56 pm (UTC)
Yesh, yew must!
Gon's knot the noly one!
Caht has run amok!!


Apr. 16th, 2006 07:27 pm (UTC)
As Sui wrote
... the ratio of current internship-seekers (across the undergraduate student body, post-freshman to post-senior level) to extant internship givers is 1:11.

Sure, ask away, but do you mean undergraduate researchers in general or with respect to the above signs?

Apr. 16th, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
Re: As Sui wrote
I meant it as unrelated.

My boss emailed me earlier. IN fact, I think it's an automated email - notifying me of the completion of a run. I think he's worried that, because I'm down to my last 2 weeks in the lab, some work won't be finished.

I think he wants me to go in to the lab today to analyze the data and maybe generate another run.

Which leads to me the question - what do you think is reasonable to expect from undergraduate researchers (such as myself).
Apr. 16th, 2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
What I expect from undergraduate researchers
I generally meet with undergrads on a weekly basis - usually just a short 10-minute bit of face time, maybe 20 minutes every other week, to collect their work. With some of my active programmers, I talk to them on the phone or IM an hour or so at a time. I also have grad students who guide undergrads along, answer certain questions, and help me to keep projects on track.

I generally lay out:

1. a line of research and the overall goal, rationale, technical objectives, and evaluation measures
2. constraints as far as desired time frame, platform, resources, look-and-feel guidelines
3. target publications and sample work (code, past publications, results)

and then let them set to it. I am capable of micromanaging to a minute level, but I have had much greater success when I let students have free rein rise to the occasion.

My best students are exceedingly self-sufficient. When zengeneral was an undergrad, he was phenomenally productive. weninger is very productive, too. Both are able to synthesize concepts and come up with (sometimes very intricate) tasks.

A digression: If I were to critique my own performance as a manager, it's that I tend to leave things very open-ended and laissez-faire these days. I've become completely abhorrent of micromanagement because I've seen how much it can stifle creativity. I had the good fortune of having undergrad profs (Salzberg, Kasif, Zwarico, Smith) who were very protective of our opportunities for personal and professional development. That is to say, they let us have a tremendous amount of freedom in the lab, with our time, etc. With that freedom came individual responsibilities. Some of the students languished; others "took to it like a fish to water" and "worked harder than grads" (this is what two of my profs said about me). Of course, they didn't always have to pay us, but looking back, my best work was done as a volunteer anyway.

Looking back, I can't stress enough how precious the liberty was and how much it facilitated rather than impeded our progress. We never had to answer to funding agencies, systems administrators, or even graduate students and postdocs for our work. In particular, I was allowed to rig my own broadband connections, configure servers any way we needed to, install free or site-licensed software (even throughout the undergrad computing lab) without having to ask permission in most cases.

I'd like to add a personal "thank you" to Dr. Mark Orletsky, the head sysadmin of JHU-CS in those days. Mark, I'll never forget your words:
Throughput at all costs.

Anyhow, I hope I answered your question - if not, can you tell me more about your situation and any concerns/dissatisfaction you have?

Apr. 16th, 2006 08:53 pm (UTC)
Re: What I expect from undergraduate researchers
Thanks - it was very informative.

I already meet with my PI during our weekly lab meetings. We all discuss what's going on, and everyone in the lab gives input on what everyone else is doing. They take forever, but I usually feel a lot better about what I'm doing and what direction I'm taking things post-meeting.

As it stands, I usually do ~20 hours in the lab each week. However, because my study is tied to a graduate students' research, it's subject to change (she does wetlab and drylab work - I only do drylab work).

So, I think my PI wants me to crank through the grad student's new data ASAP (because I'm leaving, not because there's a publication deadline on the horizon), which includes weekends (holidays or not). This greatly exceeds how much time I am capable of comitting. My PI is not being unreasonable, but I don't see how I can meet his demand at this particular time point. And it's a bit frustrating. I could do the work from home, but our database is set up such that I can only do my work from one of the lab's computers.

I think it's also worth noting that I don't get $ for my research. I don't know if you fund your undergrads, but I'm free labor.

I'm not dissatisfied with him on this issue, but I don't know if this what I should expect from a PI.

Something I am dissatisfied with is that he and I disagree on ways to do math. He doesn't like my notation and the way I set up table-based calculations (despite the fact that this is what I've encountered in journal articles dealing with the same subject).
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