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Fed up with the cancer sticks on campus

What is it with all the kids walking down the street smoking like chimneys all of a sudden?
Is this some kind of a seasonal thing?

It's certainly annoying enough to be walking along in the wake of one of these people. They are female as often as they are male, and you can see the evidence of their folly on their faces. I'll bet most of these people are 10 years younger than I am, and sleep twice as much per night as I do; yet they have the same bags or dark rings around their eyes, the same lines on their brows, as I have. I seldom exercise, either, save to mow the lawn every 10-14 days, and yet I'll bet I could match most of them for lung capacity, general cardiopulmonary health, and stamina.

In case somebody hasn't heard the news flash:
Smoking is bad for you. Carcinogens are just some of the many health hazards it carries.
Also, exposing other people to secondhand smoke outdoors, in an academic environment, is just antisocial. It's obnoxious at the least. If you feel such a need, clear a path for those of us who want to jog past you.

Edit, 15:50 CDT: For the record, I don't mean to say that people should not be allowed to smoke, or should feel guilty about doing so out in the open where it has a minimal effect on others. I have an opinion about the detrimental effects of cigarette smoke, but I would not impose my will in despite of anyone's sovereign rights as an individual. Rather, I'm saying: be considerate of people when they have to share your space, be it a room, a confined area, or a walkway. Furthermore, I am aware that there are many carcinogens other than those in cigarette smoke; I don't think it's hypocritical to make a public statement about what things I can affect, even minimally.



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Apr. 29th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
I've been noticing it more and more lately - but that could be that smokers tend to congregate just outside the door of places, so you have to wade through the thick cloud of smoke to get to where you want to be.

I'm allergic to it. And I really hate having to breathe it in, because it hurts for a while afterwards.
Apr. 29th, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC)
No fumar, por favor
I've been noticing it more and more lately - but that could be that smokers tend to congregate just outside the door of places, so you have to wade through the thick cloud of smoke to get to where you want to be.
Personally, I can hold my breath through a thick cloud of smoke. It's being stuck behind a fuming smokestack for a quarter mile, like an L.A. motorist, that I don't relish. I now make a point of jogging around them.

I'm allergic to it. And I really hate having to breathe it in, because it hurts for a while afterwards.
Oh, yes, I should have mentioned that for some, it does more harm than to those of us to which it is just an inconsiderate act and an irritant.

Apr. 29th, 2006 08:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they know it's bad for them. They do it anyway, your high-horse moralizing notwithstanding. You're exposed to carcinogens from many sources; you're choosing to complain about smokers instead of other more important issues because they're an easy target.

I think your attitudes themselves are antisocial; if you choose to preach to your friends all the time about how healthy you are and how much more 'aware' your mindset is, that's obnoxious in itself as well.
Apr. 29th, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
And no, actually, I don't smoke cigarettes or other forms of tobacco. But I don't choose to bitch and moan about being 'exposed' to others' smoke for a few seconds every once in a while. It's just not that important. Moreover, it's one of those 'fashionable' things to complain about; something people do who are so convinced they're morally better than others that they can go around telling others what's right and wrong. I bet you're the type of person who also conspicuously glares at people with meat on their plates, or people who drive a less-efficient car.

How about 'judge not lest ye be judged'?
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Re: How about "physician, heal thyself"? - auriam - Apr. 29th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
How about "physician, heal thyself"? - banazir - Apr. 29th, 2006 08:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: How about "physician, heal thyself"? - auriam - Apr. 29th, 2006 09:09 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Not my point - banazir - Apr. 29th, 2006 09:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
Apr. 29th, 2006 08:32 pm (UTC)
It's an age thing.

I smoked for a few years, but grew out of it when the important things in my life actually became important to me.
Apr. 29th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
Fine, age
You're probably right, though there are plenty of 40-year-old facilities workers and groundskeepers who smoke, too. They just hang out by the ashtrays or trash bins and don't block the building entrances. I also don't see them hogging the sidewalks.

Perhaps consideration is a positive function of age, too?

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Smoking and tanning - banazir - Apr. 29th, 2006 09:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Fine, age - mrowe - Apr. 30th, 2006 06:02 am (UTC) - Expand
Apr. 29th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
my vote
I say we brush up against them and fart.

If I smelled like shit and lingered around campus, then people would ask me to leave. Sadly, I take the position that smoking is something that should be done at home and not in public. Afterall, if I did what I wanted to do in public, then I would be arrested.
Apr. 29th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
Smoking in public: not all publics are created equal
I'm a severe pragmatist when it comes to smoking "in public": public places have different ventilation, and that's all that really matters.

If it was a choice between letting people smoke all they want to outside and banning it in zones such as classrooms, I say, take it outside. Heck, I'll even favor an outdoor pavilion built with taxpayer dollars (better that than a cage with a hood, which isn't good for the smokers, either).

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Flats vs. single homes - banazir - Apr. 29th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Apr. 29th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)
Entrances and bus stops
Well, that brings up the question of "confined space" and "ventilation". I would never be so paranoid as to say we should ever ban smoking outdoors. How long before people get hit with fines for burning leaves (which I'm sure is done in some backwards places), or God gets sued for forest fires? It's a small step to the absurd.

But as for bus stops and entrances: you bring up a good point, in that the haze is hard to avoid. I feel so sorry for smokers standing in the snow that I don't make an issue of it. Whether it's addiction, compulsion, or willing desire, I can have enough compassion to go around to the other entrance. If there is another entrance, that is.

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You can lead a horse to water... - banazir - Apr. 30th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: You can lead a horse to water... - onfeynyuan_shen - May. 2nd, 2006 06:12 am (UTC) - Expand
Apr. 29th, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC)
Ah, see this is why I love California. Smoking is banned in all restaurants, bars, and well, indoors at any public place. Smoking at my last university was banned within twenty feet of the building. Granted the smokers were closer than twenty feet typically, but it at least stopped them from huddling around the doors.

Just for the record, I have no problem with people smoking. I lived with a smoker for 3 years. But she would go outside to smoke and never forced me to sit in a smoke filled environment.
Apr. 30th, 2006 02:11 am (UTC)
One's own LJ is a very fitting place to voice a personal opinion.

I believe in freedom, and I don't like restrictions. However, I understand policy that promotes health issues and benefits the majority. I support smoking bans in enclosed places as a health issue.

I have asthma. Until our city banned smoking in restaurants, there were certain places I wouldn't eat because it wasn't worth respiratory distress. Now, happily, our city has a ban that prohibits smoking in restaurants, and I am able to join friends and family eating out.

As you say, it is often a matter of consideration. Non-smokers need to respect a smoker's desire to smoke. Smokers need to respect a non-smoker's desire to remain smoke-free.

Apr. 30th, 2006 02:49 am (UTC)
Evil is the word I would use for causing people so mch distress that they go short of breath and have chest pains for an hour or longer. And yes, asthma can do that.
Apr. 30th, 2006 02:59 am (UTC)
Intentionally? Yes.
I think the thing to do there is to have some kind of local ordinance (it can be institutional rather than municipal) that prohibits smoking in the doorway.

Clear the aisle, and give them to know why they're being asked to; it isn't just because some people have prissy sensibilities. Smoke means only watery eyes and a mild stink to the likes of me, but it's like a punch in the lungs to others.

Anyway, I think raising awareness is worth while on this score.

Apr. 30th, 2006 05:32 am (UTC)
In Thailand I enjoyed a fag while waiting at the check in counter at the Ko Samui airport.

In Barca we only had hash, so couldn't fire up while waiting for our plane.

Personally, I'd rather cannabis rather than tobac anyday. I only smoke tobac as a [poor] substitute.

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May. 2nd, 2006 01:54 am (UTC)
I think you're right on all counts.

May. 1st, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC)
Smokers can't read. They ignore the signs that say, "No smoking within 30 feet of this entrance." This is a sad reflection of our public highschools as well as an example of just how rude some people can be.
May. 2nd, 2006 04:37 am (UTC)
The inability to read versus the unwillingness
I think people generally overlook rules meant to make others' lives more comfortable at their expense, especially when they are easily flouted. Or perhaps that's just in the USA.

In any case, it's sort of as Barbarossa said of the Pirates' Code: "it's more of a guideline"...

May. 2nd, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
on smoking and fairness
I'm allergic to tobacco smoke.

When I was younger, my parents both smoked, indoors, etc...
on nights when my parents had people over, when I was little, all the smoke would waft upstairs where we were sleeping - i could smell it, i would start filling up, and having a hard time breathing - unable to breathe through my nose, etc.

When i would come downstairs, and ask if anyone was smoking, I would be 'accused' of 'looking' for that, because i 'wanted to find it' for some ?moral justification? ... I assume that was guilt talking... for the record, most smokers don't realize how noticeable the smell is to everyone else (sense of smell decreases, etc)

Anyways, when they found out I was allergic, and they were told my pollyps etc in my nose that were making it hard for me to breathe would just get worse, unless they quit... well, eventually they sent me to get 'allergy shots' ... perhaps that was for the best...

Eventually, my Dad quit; 10 years later my mom did, once I'd moved out, and had already been diagnosed with things like 'exercise-induced asthma', which is likely related. Even not sitting in a 'smoking section' in a restaurant for my mom, when she was a smoker, was big issue - she would get deeply offended by the idea she wasn't 'allowed' to smoke inside, etc.

My mom is not a 'bad person', although I must admit some resentment. But I, for one, am glad that the balance has begun to shift the 'other way', that this attitude of 'entitlement' where some people can no longer do things that harm those around them without reproach. Personally, I try to strike a balance - I have good friends who smoke - I don't challenge them on everything, or every time they smoke - as long as they respect my need to have some smoke-free space and my own health... People just try to tolerate the faults of others, and limit their own faults, knowing others are doing the same with them; when people can mostly respect each others needs, people can mostly get along, usually...
pardon the anecdote...
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