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Microsoft Live Mail Beta

Poll #724290 Microsoft Live Mail

How many accounts have you signed up for Microsoft Live Mail Beta?

More than three

If you have not signed up, do you plan to do so in the next few months?

Once it's out of beta

If you already have it, what do you think of it? In particular, what features are missing that you would like?

If you haven't signed up, what are your reasons?

Don't have Hotmail to begin with and don't need Live Mail
Not sure what there is to gain by switching from Hotmail
Just haven't gotten around to it
Worried about losing features
Worried about losing mail
Don't like jumping bandwagons / Late adopter of technology
Other (please specify)

If you haven't signed up for Live Mail, and answered "Other" above, how come?

Second: MS Live Mail gives you a few things you can already get with GMail (2Gb of space, better message threading) and a nicer interface that resembles Outlook, while keeping your Hotmail address and inbox. It's really worth while if you have a paid account ("MSN Hotmail Plus") or one of those ancient Hotmail accounts that was grandfathered in with HTTP access via Outlook and Outlook Express. Otherwise, it's just another address, for people who are probably chock full of them.



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May. 7th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)

I *knew* it!


14 "nones" and one "three."

Hmmm.... who *could* that three be...
May. 7th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC)
Why I hate CNS Mail so much I taint myself with Hotmail/Live Mail
Why wonder?
Cknot yew click on "View Answers", fllo? :-P

Seriously, jereeza said she's happy with the mail she's got.
I'm miserable with the mail I've got (KSU CNS mail): it has a 10 minute latency, it's a bitch to set up with Mozilla Thunderbird.

  • Incoming mail is: imap.ksu.edu, port 993 (the default), SSL authentication, no secure connection.

  • Outgoing mail is auth.smtp.ksu.edu, port 26 (instead of the default 25), TLS authentication, secure connection.

I swear I've made more than half mistakes among the 28 combinations (at least 32 failing combinations) of the above 4 options for incoming and 4 for outgoing. In fact, I just put "imap/26/SSL/insecure, auth.smtp/993/TLS/secure" (ports exactly swapped, though Thunderbird would have shown me this was wrong because default ports depend on the session protocol).

I've written it down before, even mailed it to myself, but I've lost my records, and they were nowhere to be found online the last time I checked last August.

CNS Mail is unreliable (downtime of about 1 12-hour day per semester), it has spam filtering that is inferior to all but CIS Mail's (although I'm not complaining about this, because I went from an intolerable 90% spam or 1000+ spams per week to an uncomfortable 50% spam or under 600 spams per week).

I freaking hate the guts of the intestinal parasites of the guts of CNS Mail.

However, I refuse to switch to GMail because:

  • 1. They are unrecognizable and/or unprofessional. My GMail addresses are for personal mail. I could sacrifice a few of the seven (all but my first and second one) for university business, but rizanab/labingi/galbasi/brandagamba/razanur@gmail.com are not even based on my RL name. Why should I be telling people to please e-mail a login I created for personal entertainment (RPGs) or socialization (blogs), or as a sign-up spam receivership? hsuwh@hotmail.com is at least recognizable.

  • 2. They announce my university's IT failures to the world. It's literally saying "please e-mail a third-party address that's not even my name, because our university's IT infrastructure sucks pureed ewoks and we have not even a semblance of a plan for going offsite, so I'm taking it on myself to provide you with one of my personal addresses". (You might well ask whether hsuwh@hotmail.com does this, too. However, I've been using it for four years for both personal and professional business, when I didn't want to go over university networks, and people know this. For example, I used to use Hotmail and GMail for all massforge correspondence.)

  • 3. Believe it or not, GMail will fill up. I have emptied out my Hotmail account (only 2Mb at the time) about a dozen times, so my "hsuwh" folder is about 25Mb. Since Hotmail went to 250Mb, I've filled it up once and deleted a lot of the 2-6Mb attachments. I estimate that I've had a total of 300Mb non-spam come through Hotmail, and maybe an equal amount of spam (many more messages, but with no attachments or smaller ones). My primary and secondary GMail addresses are both at 10%. Meanwhile, my KSU CNS mail gets 50Mb every 3-4 weeks, or about 700Mb a year. In less than 2 years, my GMail will be saturated, and I don't want to have to go through the sheer hassle of pulling it all down via POP then. With Live Mail, I have 2Gb of space and HTTP access to my mailbox, and I've personally seen for myself that I can pull messages from HTTP to an IMAP folder (moving them from Hotmail to KSU CNS).

Thus, Live Mail is more convenient for me than telling everyone to mail my personal GMail(s). I just need to find a way to get KSU CNS to back up the huge message floods automatically, or find time to pull down about 48 monthly chunks averaging 20Mb each. (It's more like 50Mb a month now and 10Mb a month 4 years ago.)

May. 8th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC)
"pureed ewoks." That is serious!

I've had two hotmail accounts, and I was overwhelmed with spam. I came to believe that MSN was selling the e-mail addresses. This is supposition on my part, but I used the accounts for very little, and they still filled up with trash.

As a female, I do not need constant and repeated offers to lengthen a part of anatomy that I do not have.
May. 8th, 2006 06:39 am (UTC)
Pureed ewoks
Let's just say I've got as many breast enlargement spams as you have penis enlargement ones - and those are rarer!

90% spam * 1200 messages a week == about 1080 spams a week == quite intolerable

It's down to about 600 now, but it's still a ridiculous amount, considering that they could be using SpamBayes, and letting us configure our own procmail filters and submit messages to RBLs, not to mention do collaborative flagging of spam ISPs.

taiji_jian has convinced me to give GMail with POP a try, though.

May. 8th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC)
My son uses GMail. He is happy with it, thus far.
May. 8th, 2006 06:52 am (UTC)
I love GMail
That's why I have 9 of them and counting:

banazir ("Samwise" in Westron)
Two private ones
Five that I use as receiverships: rizanab ("banazir" spelled backwards), labingi ("Baggins" in Westron), galbasi ("Gamgee"), brandagamba ("Brandybuck"), razanur ("Peregrin", because "razar" for "Pippin" and "tuk" were too short)
A new one, William.H[NOSPAM].Hsu, which I just added. ("WilliamHsu" and "William.Hsu" were taken.)

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