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Subtle and quick to be pedantic

Srroz to snarf this from your LJ, andrewwyld, but a little silly pedantry (on my part) regarding a not-so-silly topic is sometimes good to share.

The distinction we were discussing here, between synchronization (an adjustment that causes something to occur or recur in unison) and synchronicity (the coincidence of events that seem related but are not obviously caused one by the other), is ordinarily very subtle. Taken in context, however, the aphorism that correlation is necessary but not sufficient for causality is rather strongly underscored. Ahem.

Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
(Lucky is he who has been able to understand the causes of things.)
- Virgil, Georgics ii.490

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Banazîr

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andrewwyld
Sep. 12th, 2003 01:08 pm (UTC)
The definition of synchronicity I saw, while it mentioned that two events might be synchronous without one causing the other, did not specify that the events be unrelated ... I think which words I should have used depends what I was talking about.

I can no longer remember what I was talking about.

:)
banazir
Sep. 13th, 2003 02:53 pm (UTC)
The definition of synchronicity I saw, while it mentioned that two events might be synchronous without one causing the other, did not specify that the events be unrelated ...
I saw that, too.
I think synchronicity as a synonym of synchronousness (the property of happening at the same time) is acksherly right. synchronization (the act of causing or timing to happen at the same time) just has a more deliberately tronkie connotation to it, is lal. :-)

I think which words I should have used depends what I was talking about.
I can no longer remember what I was talking about.
:)

Yew were talking about climactic latency (not to be confuzzled with climatic latency, much as it might make for amuzzling shenanigans in the FoTR film with Saruman and his Caradhras spell)...

I have also heard that whereas male fantasies are designed to be enacted, female ones are mostly a means of accelerating to a state of sexual excitement in order to bridge the synchronicity gap between the male and female (ahem) reaction times.

Upon reflection, it's not clear at lal that there is any lateral causality (common cause, certainly).

Don't make me draw a Bayesian network! :-D

"They say time is the fire in which we burn."
- Dr. Soran, ST: Generations

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Banazir
andrewwyld
Sep. 14th, 2003 11:52 pm (UTC)
Heh ... it's in this Junigan sense of synchronicity that it would all work.  On reflection, I do like synchronization, though (as I think I asid, and certainly should have), as it takes the intentional stance.  Which is another misapplied phrase, but one whose connotation (I hope) is clear ....
banazir
Sep. 16th, 2003 03:08 pm (UTC)
Heh ... it's in this Junigan sense of synchronicity that it would all work.
True... I was going to mention taht yer Jung at heart (the jury is still oot, but I guess it's better than being Freud at heart). Thnaks fro the meminder.

On reflection, I do like synchronization, though (as I think I asid, and certainly should have), as it takes the intentional stance.
# Try, try... #

Which is another misapplied phrase, but one whose connotation (I hope) is clear ....
# ... try to separate them #
# It's an illusion #

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Banazir
andrewwyld
Sep. 16th, 2003 03:15 pm (UTC)
Puzzlement:

If my own sentience is an illusion -- who is it that is deceived?
banazir
Sep. 16th, 2003 03:25 pm (UTC)
Precious Illusions
Puzzlement:
If my own sentience is an illusion -- who is it that is deceived?


Keep on singing the tune...?
(subtle and quick to plaz on words, c'est moi...)

Ever read The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot? (I'm not saying I subscribe to the idea,but if you want to talk about reflections of the mind of Eru... well, there are quite a ingenious peeks that eople have tried to sneak at the mirrors, as it were.)

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Banazir
hfx_ben
Sep. 26th, 2003 04:11 am (UTC)
Re: Precious Illusions
?!whoot!
Noboby responded to "The Holographic Universe" with a reference to Indra's Net?

*Bana ... what would Urdunais sound like?*
banazir
Sep. 26th, 2003 04:55 am (UTC)
Re: Precious Illusions
?!whoot!
Noboby responded to "The Holographic Universe" with a reference to Indra's Net?

Hrm, welp, someone has now! :-)
(Now that you mention it... /me ponders)

*Bana ... what would Urdunais sound like?*
I'd galdly tell you, if I spoke a word of Urdu.
Perhaps our Entish friend knows.

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Banazir
hfx_ben
Sep. 26th, 2003 04:07 am (UTC)
"Lucky Fortunate is he who has been able to understand the causes of things." is how I would adjust that, noting that luck is neither necessary nor sufficient for understanding.
:-p
banazir
Sep. 26th, 2003 04:56 am (UTC)
"Lucky Fortunate is he who has been able to understand the causes of things."
Good p6int.

I actually used the word causality for causas in the UAI mailing list, but was corrected.

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Banazir
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