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Eclipse and board games

Does anyone reading this use the free IDE Eclipse?
I am a relative notiviate in it. I was motivated by robbyjo to start using it this past February, but I haven't done a whole lot with it. Before I can become a HC user, think I need a bit more of a walkthrough than I've found in its docs or online.

A cautionary tale: Edwin ordered Gamma et al.'s Design Patterns boonk and paid Amazon.com $15 to have it shipped on Thu 18 Dec 2003 to arrive Fri 19 Dec 2003. After he hit the order button, the system indicated that the book would ship on Mon 22 Dec 2003, the day he goes out of the country on vacation with his family. Bha. Caveat emptor, is wot.

I spent a goodly 2 hours doing one more proofread of Vinod Chandana's M.S. thesis, and he and Siddharth Chandak have both deposited. Whee, that makes four M.S. theses and one Ph.D. dissertation in my group this year!

One more welcome: Hello to twinbee, who has some interesting stories to share, here and there. I was comparing notes with him on software engineering textbooks and passed along the recommendation of Design Patterns (which I myself have read only cursorily).

Quick straw poll - what board games, among:



do you all play? I am decent at Chinese chess, average at Othello, and so easy to whup in chess that it's not even funny. I have never successfully learned to play Go, though I would really like to, and I have forgotten how to play checkers. Hrm.

Edit, 10:15 CST Sat 20 Dec 2003: jereeza, gondhir, and twinbee (who inspired this poll in the first place) reminded me of a few other board games.



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kissmyascii
Dec. 20th, 2003 05:40 am (UTC)

checkers and chess

*nod*
erebrandir
Dec. 20th, 2003 05:46 am (UTC)
I haven't played a board game in years. I used to like chess, but I was never very good at it.
banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 05:56 am (UTC)
I haven't played a board game in years.
I used to like chess, but I was never very good at it.

Same here.
Just as an illustration of my general weakness at chess, when I was about 15, I could beat Battle Chess on its lowest setting, and not much else. :-)
I haven't the slightest idea what my FIDE rating would be, but I do know that I occasionally lost to younger teens whom I had just taught to play. Oh, wlel. :-D

Oddly, I seem to be reasonably good at Chinese chess, capable of beating most casual players (and not just Western chess veterans stuck in the lateral-motion frame of mind).

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Banazir
(no subject) - erebrandir - Dec. 21st, 2003 01:24 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - banazir - Dec. 21st, 2003 01:42 am (UTC) - Expand
twinbee
Dec. 20th, 2003 06:28 am (UTC)
chess
shogi
Reversi/Othello
Go
twinbee
Dec. 20th, 2003 07:19 am (UTC)
these are also good:
go-moku
pente
mancala/owari
quits
hex
(no subject) - banazir - Dec. 28th, 2003 08:07 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - twinbee - Dec. 28th, 2003 09:40 am (UTC) - Expand
Pente/Go-Moku, Owari/Mancala, Quits, and Hex - banazir - Dec. 28th, 2003 10:02 am (UTC) - Expand
Early to bed and early to rise - banazir - Dec. 28th, 2003 07:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
hfx_ben
Dec. 20th, 2003 06:57 am (UTC)
Synchro:
I just discovered Eclipse yesterday. truly.

Damn ... I may get into that "work for money" thing soon.

more later
banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 03:36 pm (UTC)
Eclipse
Synchro:
I just discovered Eclipse yesterday. truly.

Cllo. We should compare notes.
Have a look at Roby's Eclipse tutorial, which I've been updating by hand as I work on the BNJ manual. See bayesnets for more info.

Comments, questions, corrections, even lies, flames, and trolls welcome!

Damn ... I may get into that "work for money" thing soon.
Work(s) for me!
:-)

more later
Yowza

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Banazir
Re: Eclipse - hfx_ben - Dec. 20th, 2003 09:34 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Eclipse - banazir - Dec. 21st, 2003 01:35 am (UTC) - Expand
hfx_ben
Dec. 20th, 2003 07:06 am (UTC)
Go
Go
Go

Oh yes, and did I mention that I play Go?
banazir
Dec. 28th, 2003 08:10 am (UTC)
Go for it
It might be a coupla days before you see this, but: have you ever tried developing an automated player? Also, have you tried The Many Faces of Go and other players (which, as of 1996, were still being trounced regularly by schoolchildren)?

Anyone know what the strongest computer Go players are ATM?
I've kind of lost track since 1998.

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Banazir
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gondhir
Dec. 20th, 2003 03:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Eh, well,
Ne biti ljutit , čovjek?
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One should never talk down to one's dog - banazir - Dec. 22nd, 2003 08:11 am (UTC) - Expand
gondhir
Dec. 20th, 2003 03:05 pm (UTC)
You have offended Othello, the Chinese King Me.
Do not pass Go, do not collect 8 pawns...

Is Chinese chess the same thing as chinese checkers? Little marbles migrating across a 6 pointed star shaped board by hopping diagonally over each other?

I haven't played that in years. Nor Go or Othello. I play chess occasionally (rarely) and even beat people from time to time. But I take a LOOOOONG time to move and if I play with a timer I get annihilated.
banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 03:31 pm (UTC)
Re: You have offended Othello, the Chinese King Me.
Is Chinese chess the same thing as chinese checkers?
Different - I'll put links in an edit.

Little marbles migrating across a 6 pointed star shaped board by hopping diagonally over each other?
tiao4 qi2 (the teunceing game)
<WORF>That is a hobbit's game.</WORF>

I haven't played that in years. Nor Go or Othello.
Reversi, or Othello as Melkor-Bradley calls it in the commercially branded version, is fnu. Yew jsut hafta knot plaz stewpitly.

I play chess occasionally (rarely) and even beat people from time to time. But I take a LOOOOONG time to move and if I play with a timer I get annihilated.
Same here.
Are we, lik, Ents?

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Banazir
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banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 04:46 pm (UTC)
Nine Mlorat Men's Morris
The Ludo is "don't rage"; Nine Men's Morris is just "the mill". Although I've gotten irate at losing either in the past. :)
Yeah, but being a Nazgul, I thot yew'd appreciate Nine Men's Morris, wot? ;-D

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Banazir
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Re: Ohhhhhhhh - banazir - Dec. 20th, 2003 07:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Sheep Rooster! - banazir - Dec. 21st, 2003 02:23 am (UTC) - Expand
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Re: Sheep Rooster! - banazir - Dec. 22nd, 2003 01:47 am (UTC) - Expand
f00dave
Dec. 20th, 2003 07:47 pm (UTC)
Since you asked:

  • Checkers, middlingly
  • Chess, competently, though not at a competitive level
  • Chinese chess, never heard of it
  • Japanese chess, ditto
  • Reversi/Othello, I used to be very good at this
  • Go, I've played four games, was horribly trounced each time, but want to learn (if for nothing else to to have a crack at the 1M$ prize for authoring a Go-playing program that doesn't suck)
  • Nine Men's Morris, played it for a half-hour at a party and beat everyone (I think I just caught on faster), that was the one and only time I've seen this game in any form, until today
  • Halma ("Chinese checkers"), I've played three games of this, as an adult, lost the first one and won the other two, probably because the other players were too busy trying to interfere with one another =)
  • Go-Moku aka Five-in-A-Row, heard about this last week, haven't played it, am assuming it's not computationally-tractable, and that no good heuristics are known, either
banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 11:36 pm (UTC)
Game conferences and review
This thread is turning oat to be interesting!
I would like to p6int you lal to:



Since you asked:


  • Checkers, middlingly - that's how I memember being able to play

  • Chess, competently, though not at a competitive level - better than moi

  • Chinese chess, never heard of it - here (previously added in edit above)

  • Japanese chess, ditto - here (ditto)

  • Reversi/Othello, I used to be very good at this - ever heard of my uncle's system Bill (named after Shakespeare, not me)?



Go, I've played four games, was horribly trounced each time, but want to learn (if for nothing else to to have a crack at the 1M$ prize for authoring a Go-playing program that doesn't suck)
Ah, the Ing Prize - it's acksherly $40M NT (gnu Taiwan dollars), which is about $1.4M ATM owing to appreciation of the Taiwanese currency, so you might keep $1M fater taxes if you earned the prize. :-)
At Illinois, Jesse Reichler and I went through a phase of combining Team Go with Artificial Neural Networks and Computational Brain Theory, our connectionist group. It never took orf, and I must foot some of the blame for not pursuing it manaically as I often do with interesting things.

Nine Men's Morris, played it for a half-hour at a party and beat everyone (I think I just caught on faster), that was the one and only time I've seen this game in any form, until today
I have seen it before, once at the house of some aunt/uncle and younger cousins IIRC, but had no idea what the rules were.

Halma ("Chinese checkers"), I've played three games of this, as an adult, lost the first one and won the other two, probably because the other players were too busy trying to interfere with one another =)
Heh.

Go-Moku aka Five-in-A-Row, heard about this last week, haven't played it, am assuming it's not computationally-tractable, and that no good heuristics are known, either
No (it isn't) and yes (there are) - some people I met while at Illinois spent the better part of two decades working on heuristics. It's amazzling what people can do with slow cogitation.

Faire de la bonne cuisine demande un certain temps. Si on vous fait attendre, c'est pour mieux vous servir, et vous plaire.
(Good cooking takes time. If you are made to wait, it is to better serve you, and to please you.)
- from the menu of Restaurant Antoine, New Orleans, as reproduced in The Mythical Man-Month [Brooks, 1975; Brooks, 1995]

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Banazir
twinbee
Dec. 20th, 2003 09:28 pm (UTC)
go moku has a british equivalent called Noughts and Crosses
banazir
Dec. 20th, 2003 09:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks! So edited
I've laso heard Merkians refer to it as Connect Five, lalthough Connect Four is quite different (gravity constraint-driven).

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Banazir
twinbee
Dec. 21st, 2003 02:58 am (UTC)
what can the intro to CS student do with Go-moku?
celandineb
Dec. 21st, 2003 03:38 am (UTC)
Games... I used to play checkers all right, likewise Chinese checkers. Was pretty good at Othello. Never learned chess, in any of the variants, nor Go. I was more the logic puzzle type.

Celandine
banazir
Dec. 21st, 2003 03:40 am (UTC)
Games... I used to play checkers all right, likewise Chinese checkers. Was pretty good at Othello.
For some reason, I feel like I'm spinning my wheels at best when I play those - simply wasting time, at worst. But they are less strain on the brain, at least when played casually as I do.

Never learned chess, in any of the variants, nor Go.
I was more the logic puzzle type.

Logic puzzles (esp. Myst/Riven/7th Guest/3 in 3-type ones) feel too much like work to me. :-P

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Banazir
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The Bridge of Khazad-dum - banazir - Dec. 21st, 2003 05:47 am (UTC) - Expand
deire
Dec. 21st, 2003 05:27 am (UTC)
Good music for that background! I play chess--badly, but I play! ;)
banazir
Dec. 21st, 2003 05:43 am (UTC)
Good music for that background!
Museic?

I play chess--badly, but I play! ;)
Cllo - we should have a TEUNC chessmoot some time.
Do you ever get down to MO, KC, and thereabouts to see phawkwood and vretallin?

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Banazir
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